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Cost of changing cambelt

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Hi. I believe Ford recommend 100,000 miles or 8 years for this engine. So either way it's getting close to needing one. Main dealer prices for the job are likely to be quite high so it's wise to shop around. The tension on these belts needs to be set with a proper gauge, so ask whatever garage you approach if they have the proper equipment. You can keep the costs down by providing your own parts, and once more, shopping around is a good idea. Because the coolant pump is driven from the cambelt on this engine, it is advisable to change it at the same time. Full "kits" including every part required are available from ebay sellers for about ÂŁ155 although you may be able to source the parts separately more cheaply. A competent mechanic should be able to complete the job in under 3 hours. Good garages will use a guide book, produced by the trade, in order to price the job, depending on their hourly rate.
I'm sorry if I cannot give a definitive answer as it greatly depends on how much the garages in your area charge per hour.
Hope this helps.
Regards Colin
 
Anthony. The haynes manual does indeed say that, but it's in the chapter that deals with the 1.6 Petrol engine. If you have a look in the relevant section for the diesel, you will find a picture of the belt run, showing the water pump above and to the left of the crankshaft, clearly being driven by the cambelt. This is quite normal for PSA derived engines. and I think all our Citroens have been like that. It's also the Haynes "bible" which advocates 100K miles and 8 years and they claim it's Fords advice. I was sure when I read it that I'd seen 150K and 10 years somewhere before. I have had a look on Ford Etis and you're right. Beginning to think Haynes is making this stuff up! Regarding the supply of parts, most garages will happily warrant the work if you supply decent quality parts from a recognised source, such as Dayco or Quinton Hazell. A decent independent may be able to get a discount on parts from a supplier, but whether or not they pass the saving on to the customer is debatable. Most will put some kind of mark-up on parts.
 
I personally see nothing wrong with the concept of 150K and 10 years. Toothed belts have been used to drive many different types of machines that I have come across in my lifetime. Mainly pumps, compressors and the like. They used to break with alarming regularity years ago, but improvements in materials have extended their life dramatically. I believe it is now common for them to have kevlar incorporated into the structure, a material which, weight for weight, is stronger than steel. This, and the better quality of engine construction, has helped to extend the service intervals between changes and has subsequently reduced the cost of ownership.
Much is said about chain and gear driven camshafts, but these are not infallible either. Two engines which were common in the '70s regularly fell victim to cam drive failure. One was a 3.0 V8 OHC chain driven unit found in the Triumph Stag which, in its early days was prone to failure. The other was Fords own 2.0 V4 and 2.5 and 3.0 V6 which had OHV with pushrods and a gear driven camshaft in the Vee. The cam drive gear was some kind of fibre (Tufnoll?) for quietness, and it used to strip its teeth if neglected, both LONG before 150K! I believe there was also a Mercedes unit with chain drive which was quietly discontinued due to breakage.
If you have had your car serviced at a VAT registered garage, you will be able to take advantage of "cambelt insurance" see http://www.timing-belt-failure-insurance.co.uk/ which, for the princely sum of ÂŁ29.95 will give you peace of mind for a year. And then pay for the repair if it packs in! Can't be bad!
 
Generally speaking, any machine which starts and stops regularly and only runs for a short period when running, will suffer some kind of failure before one which starts less often and runs for a longer period each time. The analogy here is between cars used mainly in town, and ones used mainly on longer journeys (motorways). I don't have to tell anyone that such a car can clock up huge milages on the same clutch, brakes etc, because they are seldom used. By the same token, the cambelt will last longer because it, too is subjected to fewer starts and stops.
A case in point was when Shore power supplies were finally installed on the tug jetty and we would shut down after each tanker movement and change over from ships generator to shore power. This changeover entails "blacking out" momentarily as it is not good practise to parallel with shore supply. Because of this, some pumps and a couple of belt driven vent fans would stop and require re-starting each time we left the jetty and returned. The belts began breaking quite regularly when the fans were re-started whereas before, when running continuously, they had lasted for years! It is odd that, in these days of almost universal trip computers, the car doesn't analyse the type of use to which it is being put and flag up when such a change is advisable. I know some manufacturers do this for oil change intervals.
 
ÂŁ243 extra to change the water pump and coolant, a lucky half an hours labour on top of the rest, is taking the weewee somewhat! (understatement!) Seeing as how the pump Can be got from GSF Carparts (GSF | Cheap Discount Car Parts | Euro German Japanese | VW BMW Audi Ford Peugeot) for ÂŁ27 (Part 170PC0112 Standard quality) or ÂŁ39 (Part 170PC0110 Premium quality) That leaves at least ÂŁ204 for a half an hours labour and a few litres of water/antifreeze!! And we bleat about the cost of Diesel!!!! Even if it took an extra hour (No WAY!!) it would still be well excessive. The ÂŁ340 for the Timing belt change, if it includes the new tensioners and idlers, isn't so bad ( GSF part 129PC0380 ÂŁ102 ) but if it doesn't, which is plain suicide (GSF part 131PC0440 ÂŁ23.40) it's still expensive. The total for parts from GSF would be ÂŁ141 so there's ÂŁ442 to account for which at ÂŁ55 an hour (our citroen main dealer price) is over 7 hours!
My advice, for what it's worth, would be to invest in the ÂŁ29.95 cambelt insurance for peace of mind (Only available if you have a fairly recent service receipt from a garage) and search about for an independent with a good reputation. You may have to go to the GSF website and register (free) before being able to access the links.
 
Well! I think, in the light of things, I'd sooner pay a little more for my Diesel (ÂŁ1.50.9 today) and have garages with realistic charges. If that's how much they charge for a Ford, How much do the BMW and Merc rip-off merchants relieve you of? Our two excellent local independents are about the ÂŁ45 mark and worth every penny. Cowboys don't exist here, the local bush telegraph sees to that. Up here you're either good, or you're hungry!