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Oil leaks and Injector problems. Hi new to this forum but would welcome some help. My car is a 04 plate 1.6 tdi Ghia. Had problem with 'chuffing' sound coming from injector - sounded like a tank! Repaired in Feb - broke down 5 days later - due to 1 injector not being reconnected properly sprayed 3/4 tank diesel down the M3! Repaired again and engine steam cleaned but now less than 3 months later same problem with same injector - back in the garage. Now told there is oil leak around seal between two plates at head of engine -not the head gasket but above that (used to be called the rockafella?) does that make sense? Garage says no parts required but want to charge me a further £92 for the labour. They also say that in order to do the injectors they have strip down the engine anyway so not much more work to do to fix oil leak, best to do it now or it would all have to come off again at later date. Fact no parts required indicates to me leak is minor problem - new seal/sealant required, which I believe is merely pennies? Question is would they have had to mess with this in the first place to make 1st repair to injectors in Feb? if so could they have caused it getting to the injectors? I think it reasonable for them to fix free as gesture of goodwill given all the hassle I've had with them. They think otherwise. Grateful for any advice please....... thanks and happy to provide more info.
 

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Not certain about how much of the engine they have to take apart to get an injector outbut I've just looked at the TIS disc howeverand there is no mention of the rocker cover having to come off

Previously the only reason i know of for having to remove this (Cav Sri)was to change / clean the crank case oil breather filter
 

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Richard, thanks for the message.

Apparently the carbon build up was horrendous first time around in Feb and took ages to clean, so I wonder if cleaning the crankshaft would have been part of the clean up?

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They shouldn't have had to touch the "crankshaft as that is the bit behind and below the pistons to which carbon build up only gets in terminal engine conditions. They ought not to to have touched either of the camshafts though they may well have had the whole of the head off to check / clean any carbon build up from around the valve seats and just may have had the whole head apart (which would have meant the rocker cover coming off)to regrind the valves into their seats or clean the stems and change the oil seals. You ought to be able to get an idea of what they did by perhaps asking whats on the job sheet




Did they offer any explanation as to why there was so much carbon build up in the first place?

As an additional thought if you've had the problem of a poorly installed injector spraying diesel everywher but in the engine a second time after they were supposed to have fixed it then I think a chat with Trading Standards might be in order especially as they probably charged you for it

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You may be the first with this problem though I may be the next and I like to have any available information under my belt befor I go and tackle the supposed experts so sharing informs us all
 

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Richard,

I take your point, indeed it does. 'Supposed' being the operative word, this has been another of my points to them i.e. Ford engineer the cars so that in many cases repairs can only be made by Ford themselves thus preventing individuals or independant garages from carrying out the work at much reduced prices. One assumes that when cars go in, they will be dealt with by experts using specialist tools. In my experience, that simply isn't the case. Unfortunately this isn't the first time this particular garage has fallen short on service.
In 2006, while still under warranty, it went in for a service, where they failed to check the brake pads. Less than a month later, I was down to the discs. They apologised and replaced the brake pads and I made it quite clear that if there was any damage to the discs, they would be responsible for replacing them. Their excuse at the time was that the electronic hand brake system causes the brake pads to wear quicker than would normally be expected. My view was, irrespective of what number service it was going in for, checking of brake pads should be fundamental and if they are aware of this anomaly then all the more reason to check!!

The trouble is they try and blind me with science and frankly I don't know enough about engines to argue the case. I catch them out on all sorts of things like "the original job took much longer than anticipated and took two days to clean" - hmm; except I remember when I dropped it off the first morning, I asked what time I could expect to collect it and I was told that they had 4 or 5 vehicles over from the day before so they couldn't say, which puts a rather different spin on it. Yesterday they rang and gave me the verdict on the oil leak and said the engine was already half way stripped for the injectors so it would only be an extra hours work - I refused to pay the extra and interestingly the car still wasn't ready at the end of the day!

It's all smoke and mirrors and I won't be made a mug of. End result thus far is I've said do the warranty work, put it back together and I'll go elsewhere - but first I'll ask the AA for an independent assessment - (if i can do such a thing?).

If necessary I'll trade it in - but it won't be for another Ford! That's it rant over......feel better now!

Michelle
 

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Tony,

Thank you for your support; I shall endeavour to do so.........

It'll never happen I know, but there are times when I wish we could just go back to horse power - the sort that's measured in 'hands'!

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Hi Michelle,

Sometimes it's good to let off steam and rant about the P*** Poor Service that isgiven by these main agents
. I have a 1.6 TDCi ghia on a 54 plate (90k miles), loads of grief with the main agent but mostly resolved now.

I went Trading Standardsbut all they offered was free legal advice, in the form of keep talking to the Dealer!!

The statement thatyou cannot take the car to an Independent is not quite true, The engine is a collaboration between Ford/Peugoet/Citreon and has a Bosch power train, a good independent should be able to help you out. I believe that the Injectors are one of the common problems that manifest themselves with this engine.

As a side point one of these Forums suggested using an independent Ford Specialist in Southampton, bit too far for me, so I might be using an Independent Peugeot specialist.

Dave
 

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OOh...... really Dave; do you know what it was called? (The garage in Southampton) Might be worth a punt. I didn't know that the engine was a collaboration between those three, so thanks for that. I'm in the New Forest so going to Southampton isn't beyond the realms of possibility.

Michelle
 

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Damsel in Distress said:
Tony,
It'll never happen I know, but there are times when I wish we could just go back to horse power - the sort that's measured in 'hands'!
Rain protection is a little poor - not many miles to a set of tyres and what an alternative to black smoke out of the exhaust

You could always have a "coach & four" I suppose
 

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LOL - Wearing a riding hat will keep your head dry and I can recommend an effective long riding coat; true, horseshoes need replacing much sooner than tyres, but at least the 'emissions' are good for the garden, so there's a positive for the environment......
AND they're fantastic cardio vascular exercise - so that's UK obesity dealt with too!

Perhaps I should change jobs and become an MP! - thinking aloud, I digress.......
 

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Oh dear, obviously not a rider of horses or you would know. I am referring to the level of exertion required when thundering along on horseback using a vice like grip to stay aboard when dodging all manner of 'scary monsters' like emerging deer or even a plastic bag rustling in a bush, which tend to pop up when you least expect.

Indeed, even a half hour intensive lesson can leave you hot, red faced, out of breath and walking like John Wayne for a few days!
 

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All that was said very tongue in cheek as I have a liking for the use to which several "Shires" could be put to a large team of 8
I got put off riding back in my teens when it tended to become an all female occupation but my sister still has 2 of her own so I'm not quite removed
As to the "skittery" horse I know all about that from quite a number of years ago when one on which I was being led (it was about 40 years ago) decided to dance sideways at a sign that he had seen at the roadside many times before and I fell off onto the road on my head (may explain a lot)
 

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Richard, a similar story actually.......

I too was put off horses in my teens after a bad fall which resulted in a broken collar bone for nearly two years, followed by a bone graft with a plate and 6 screws for 18mths! I returned some 6/7 years ago after moving to the New Forest. Haven't got my own as yet, would love to have a foal but need to wait until I'm working nearer to home. Had a New Forester on full loan while his owner was abroad for 18mths and had enormous fun with him. He was full of character, very cheeky but very loving - simply wonderful. I ride out from a local yard now - but don't get out as much as I'd like. A friend of mine does 'carriage' driving and takes part in competitions but its not a grand carriage just a two seater (I think) with a backstop for extra balance - they certainly shift though!

It never fails to amaze me what they will 'spook' at, a drain cover, motorbikes; I even had one that 'spun' on me several times because of two very scary looking milk crates!!
But the exhilaration of cantering up a track or having a buzzard swoop down in front of you or standing still and watching deer in the trees is just fab.
 

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Hi Michelle,

You have had some right trouble

Where were you taking it, so we know not to use?
As for tremona garage, what they do not know is not worth knowing!
They are, true gents and perhaps old style service that we would like everywhere.
All proper Ford computers and true service.
When I took mine for some new DPF additive, they had not done one, but after a few phone calls they had everything done in under half a day and while expensive stuff, I was more than happy at paying the bill as I knew it had been done right.

As this is more of a technical post, I will move it across to the right area and will leave you to post a "get to know you" thread here.

Steve

PS Hi and welcome
 
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